Corzine: Jersey Gay
Marriage Inevitable --
After 2008
By PAUL SCHINDLER,
gaycitynews,com September 9, 2007
In a one-hour session with gay
journalists, New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine made clear that he sees full
marriage equality for same-sex couples as inevitable in the Garden State, but
also believes that, from a strategic political perspective, achieving that
milestone is best left to a time after the 2008 presidential election.
"I think we're in the process of evolution," he said at the September 9 event.
"I don't know whether it's three years or five years, but in some time frame in
the not so distant future I suspect that New Jersey will embrace the moniker of
gay marriage or same-sex marriage."
The issue was the key focus of Corzine's informal gathering with roughly
two-dozen members of the New York chapter of the National Lesbian and Gay
Journalists Association at the New Jersey Performing Arts Center in Newark.
But the governor also fielded questions about the state's hate crimes statute,
Democratic presidential politics, and the resignation of Idaho GOP Senator Larry
Craig.
The same-sex marriage issue has been front and center in New Jersey since last
fall when the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the Legislature must
extend all the rights and benefits available to married spouses under state law
to same-sex couples.
Four of the seven justices, however, ruled that the requirement could be
achieved by enacting either full marriage equality or a separate, parallel
institution for gay and lesbian couples.
At Corzine's urging, the Legislature acted quickly to adopt a civil unions law,
which the governor Sunday characterized as the strongest partnership recognition
statute in the nation "short of" same-sex marriage in Massachusetts.
While emphasizing the strength of that law and his desire to have "a little more
time" to judge how it's working, the governor was unambiguous in saying he would
sign a marriage equality law if it came to his desk.
But adding, "It won't be on my agenda" for next year, he emphasized that 2008 is
not the year to have that debate, in New Jersey or elsewhere.
"I don't think I'd like to see this debated in a presidential election year,"
Corzine said. "It's an incitement to people who will make policies on a
whole broad range of issues that will keep the status quo."
Telling the group, " I hope you know I'm on our side," the governor talked about
same-sex marriage equality in terms of it being a goal on which he, the
journalists, and, in some cases, their readers are in agreement, even if the
roadmap needed to be hashed out.
"I think we can move very quickly here, but I think we ought to do it in a way,
by the way, that doesn't cause setbacks everywhere else in the country," Corzine
said, "that doesn't make it a tool for people who I believe start unjust wars or
try to take away children's health insurance or aren't committed to enforcing
hate crimes laws and all kinds of other things."
In an introductory chat with perhaps half a dozen of the crowd as he arrived,
the governor twice mentioned the 3,500-plus American military service members
who have died in Iraq, to underscore the critical need to block the Republican
Party from seizing on issues such as same-sex marriage to hold onto the White
House and/or regain Congress next year.
Asked by one of the journalists why New Jersey had to wait until the rest of the
country was comfortable with same-sex marriage to move, Corzine challenged the
assumption of the question, saying that the presidential election year provided
opportunities to debate the Defense of Marriage Act and the Don't Ask, Don't
Tell military policy.
"I don't want the debate in one state lead us away," he said, from the broader
national issues he believes can constructively be discussed during a
presidential election.
Significantly, Corzine said 2009, when he must next face New Jersey voters,
could be a time to look at advancing the same-sex marriage question.
"It would be a perfectly appropriate thing to ask about," he said, should he
stand for re-election that year.
Informed of that statement, Steven Goldstein, the chair of Garden State
Equality, New Jersey's LGBT advocacy group that has been pressing hard to make
marriage equality a reality, said, "We of course will not have anyone dictate
when we will push for a discussion about our families being denied their rights,
but if that's the way he feels, we should sit down and meet to draw up a
timetable."
To date, Goldstein said, discussions with the governor about moving beyond the
civil union law toward full marriage equality have only been "informal."
He also speculated as to whether Corzine had been asked by New York Senator
Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose presidential bid he supports, to keep the same-sex
marriage question off the table next year.
In his remarks, Corzine lauded the efforts made by Goldstein and Garden State
Equality on the marriage issue, but said his administration had not received the
volume of complaints about the workings of the civil union law that the group
says it has seen.
According to GSE, of the 1,514 New Jersey couples who have registered civil
unions, 278 have encountered problems in having their partnerships recognized as
the law requires. Many of them say their employers have refused to accord
them the same partner benefits given to the spouses of employees who are
married.
Goldstein said Garden State Equality fields most of the complaints since few
people are aware that the civil unions law established a state commission to
monitor compliance.
Corzine said that the only such problems that cannot be addressed under the
state law relate to those employee benefit programs governed by the federal
Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), which he estimated involves
about one-quarter of all New Jersey employers. Those businesses could also
refuse to cover same-sex spouses, and New Jersey would have no recourse, he
said.
Goldstein argued, however, that problems with employers claiming ERISA exemption
in Massachusetts have not arisen.
The governor talked about how his office successfully argued to UPS that ERISA
did not provide justification for its initial refusal to give civil union
partners of its employees spousal benefits.
And, Corzine pledged to continue looking into the refusal of the Ocean Grove
Camp Meeting Association, a Methodist group, to open its beachfront pavilion to
same-sex couples looking to hold civil union ceremonies there, despite the fact
that the organization receives a special state tax exemption on the property
contingent on opening it up for public recreation.
Asked by one of the journalists his thoughts on remedying weaknesses in the
state's hate crimes law, the governor conceded he was not familiar with the
particular issues involved but pledged to look into the matter.
On the question of whom his preferred presidential candidate, Clinton, should
select as a running mate, Corzine suggested the person best able to help the
ticket win made the most sense, singling out Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio,
Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, and New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson,
currently a presidential hopeful, as possible choices.
Asked whether he thought Larry Craig would have resigned if Idaho had a
Democratic governor who would appoint his successor, Corzine said the question
was an easy one. He noted that no Republican has suggested that David Vitter,
snared in a prostitution scandal, but a GOP senator from Louisiana, which has a
Democratic governor, give up his seat.
"The Vitter-Craig hypocrisy is pretty clear," the governor said.
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